Posted: http://www.dailyrecord.com/, Forums, Opinion, Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: "Bible glorifies Violence."
To someone,
Here is the reply, in a ‘Nut’ Shell:
Yes; there is a lot of violence in the Old Testament, brought about by the sin and disobedience of men to God. History, along with the Old Testament was/is meant to teach us something. Because of sin, men were doomed. Jesus came into the world, to take our sins upon Himself. He fulfilled the Old Testament, and gave us a New Testament, sealed for us forever by His blood on the cross.
We all fall short, but we can be washed in the blood of Jesus, making us white as snow in the eyes of God. We are no longer cursed under the Law of the Old Testament, but heirs of the free gift of grace, now through faith in the son of God.
Jesus was accused of working on the Sabbath; but, he explained it all….so, we no more see in a mirror darkly. Christians are not Sabbath keepers; so working on Saturdays is no big deal.
Women are not lesser than men. Men and women have different roles. Each answer to and worship God. Men and women compliment one another. In marriage, a man and a woman become one. A husband should be willing to give his life for his wife, as Christ loved and gave up his life to His bride, the church.
The command is not, “Thou shall not kill.” What the command really states is, “Thou shall not murder.”
Don Cole
Monday, October 8, 2007
New Testament Gospel
Posted: http://www.dailyrecord.com/, Forums, Opinion, Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: "Bible glorifies Violence."
someone,
Yes. The New Testament gospel is simple enough, and the words of Christ, can be easily seen in red letter editions of the Bible. The richness and power of it are easily recognized.
When I first really read it, about 50 years ago, I didn't know who wrote it, but I recognized the power and the wisdom that Christ taught.
See the book of Acts, to see how people were really saved and added to the Lord's church. History, and the Old Testament can really nail down the faith; because one can recognize how miraculious it all comes together.
Have I really studied the Koran for myself, as such? --No, not yet; just what I have picked up from studies and other sources.
I write a lot, but I am not a professional or scholor, so I don't mind being corrected. That is what we are here for; to share our thoughts and opinions, and even our faiths. As long as we can keep our respect for one another.
All I care about is truth, whereever it might be hiding, or whoever has it. Why would anyone want to stake their life on anything less? It is easy to become deceived. I used to do magic tricks, for fun; but then found it a bit scarry, because people can be so gullible to deception. That was when I was very young.
Don Cole
someone,
Yes. The New Testament gospel is simple enough, and the words of Christ, can be easily seen in red letter editions of the Bible. The richness and power of it are easily recognized.
When I first really read it, about 50 years ago, I didn't know who wrote it, but I recognized the power and the wisdom that Christ taught.
See the book of Acts, to see how people were really saved and added to the Lord's church. History, and the Old Testament can really nail down the faith; because one can recognize how miraculious it all comes together.
Have I really studied the Koran for myself, as such? --No, not yet; just what I have picked up from studies and other sources.
I write a lot, but I am not a professional or scholor, so I don't mind being corrected. That is what we are here for; to share our thoughts and opinions, and even our faiths. As long as we can keep our respect for one another.
All I care about is truth, whereever it might be hiding, or whoever has it. Why would anyone want to stake their life on anything less? It is easy to become deceived. I used to do magic tricks, for fun; but then found it a bit scarry, because people can be so gullible to deception. That was when I was very young.
Don Cole
Bible Violence
Posted: http://www.dailyrecord/, Forums, Opinion, Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:17 pm Post subject: "Bible glorifies Violence."
Two thoughts here:
(1) That person must still be waiting to be shown “a few passages that show the Bible glorifying violence and/or encouraging Christians to kill non-Christians.”
I can’t think of any. Bear in mind that the word ‘Christian’ signifies a follower of Christ. The name was first applied to the disciples at Antioch in Syria about 43 AD. (Acts 11:26). But, even in the Old Testament I fail to see violence being ‘glorified.’ It seemed to be more of a sad necessity. If God ‘glorifies’ violence; why did He go against that nature, to send and sacrifice Christ into the world, to free mankind from the laws of sin and death? Jesus Christ did not condone violence. Rather; He taught and showed us God’s love and how we should love God and one another.
(2) someone, Can you be more specific? I don’t see the ‘ironey” that you are referring to in my statements. I do appreciate your feedback. And I would enjoy the opportunity to respond, if only I knew where you are coming from.
Don Cole
Two thoughts here:
(1) That person must still be waiting to be shown “a few passages that show the Bible glorifying violence and/or encouraging Christians to kill non-Christians.”
I can’t think of any. Bear in mind that the word ‘Christian’ signifies a follower of Christ. The name was first applied to the disciples at Antioch in Syria about 43 AD. (Acts 11:26). But, even in the Old Testament I fail to see violence being ‘glorified.’ It seemed to be more of a sad necessity. If God ‘glorifies’ violence; why did He go against that nature, to send and sacrifice Christ into the world, to free mankind from the laws of sin and death? Jesus Christ did not condone violence. Rather; He taught and showed us God’s love and how we should love God and one another.
(2) someone, Can you be more specific? I don’t see the ‘ironey” that you are referring to in my statements. I do appreciate your feedback. And I would enjoy the opportunity to respond, if only I knew where you are coming from.
Don Cole
Not Cafeteria Style
Posted: http://www.dailyrecord/, Forums, Opinion, Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: "Bible glorifies Violence."
OOOoooo K.! someone,
There is no pick and choosing going on here. It is a matter of taking the whole word of God and history as it has transpired.
“ In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.” (Hebrews 1:1-3).
Jesus said, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.” (Luke 22:20). Jesus in his life and ministry fulfilled the Old Testament Scriptures, and all the Gospel writers quote the OT. Jesus is the fulfillment of the OT predictions of the Messiah. Hebrews 8 explains how Jesus is the High Priest of a New Covenant. “For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.’ By calling this covenant ‘new,’ he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.” (Hebrews 8:12-13.).
The commandment, “Thou Shalt Not Murder,” is not a revision of mine. Several Hebrew and Greek verbs mean “kill.” However; the verbs used here specifically mean “murder.” The New International Version (NIV) of the Bible translates the word “murder.”
Exposing factual mistakes of the Koran proves that the writings are not of God. I compared this with the Bible, which miraculously, does not contain discrepancies that one would expect from writers of the time. One way that you can know that the Bible is inspired by God, is it’s checkability for accuracy.
In each case the Bible writer had an opportunity to either state the widely held erroneous belief of the day, or to state a factually true description. In each case what was stated was true, demonstrating knowledge beyond the writer’s ability and thus necessarily from God. The Koran does not hold up to such checkability.
Yes; unfortunately there are many churches, all teaching different things, and doing whatever in the name of Christianity, that may or may not be accurately doing what the Bible teaches.. Even the Ku Klux Klan claims to be ‘Christian.’ You may have noted my post, “Let’s Debate, --Which is the True Church?” One such example, is that many churches preach that one is saved by praying the ‘sinner’s prayer.’ That does not come from the Bible; and there is no example of anyone ever being saved by praying the ‘sinner’s prayer.’ One can see very clearly, in the book of Acts, Acts 2:38, for what they need to know, and for many examples of how people are saved and added to Christ’s church. Note my posting, “Let’s Debate, --Christianity; How are People Saved?”
Don Cole
OOOoooo K.! someone,
There is no pick and choosing going on here. It is a matter of taking the whole word of God and history as it has transpired.
“ In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.” (Hebrews 1:1-3).
Jesus said, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.” (Luke 22:20). Jesus in his life and ministry fulfilled the Old Testament Scriptures, and all the Gospel writers quote the OT. Jesus is the fulfillment of the OT predictions of the Messiah. Hebrews 8 explains how Jesus is the High Priest of a New Covenant. “For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.’ By calling this covenant ‘new,’ he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.” (Hebrews 8:12-13.).
The commandment, “Thou Shalt Not Murder,” is not a revision of mine. Several Hebrew and Greek verbs mean “kill.” However; the verbs used here specifically mean “murder.” The New International Version (NIV) of the Bible translates the word “murder.”
Exposing factual mistakes of the Koran proves that the writings are not of God. I compared this with the Bible, which miraculously, does not contain discrepancies that one would expect from writers of the time. One way that you can know that the Bible is inspired by God, is it’s checkability for accuracy.
In each case the Bible writer had an opportunity to either state the widely held erroneous belief of the day, or to state a factually true description. In each case what was stated was true, demonstrating knowledge beyond the writer’s ability and thus necessarily from God. The Koran does not hold up to such checkability.
Yes; unfortunately there are many churches, all teaching different things, and doing whatever in the name of Christianity, that may or may not be accurately doing what the Bible teaches.. Even the Ku Klux Klan claims to be ‘Christian.’ You may have noted my post, “Let’s Debate, --Which is the True Church?” One such example, is that many churches preach that one is saved by praying the ‘sinner’s prayer.’ That does not come from the Bible; and there is no example of anyone ever being saved by praying the ‘sinner’s prayer.’ One can see very clearly, in the book of Acts, Acts 2:38, for what they need to know, and for many examples of how people are saved and added to Christ’s church. Note my posting, “Let’s Debate, --Christianity; How are People Saved?”
Don Cole
Violence in the Old Testament
Posted: http://www.dailyrecord.com/, Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: "Bible Glorifies Violence"
To someone,
Here is the reply, in a ‘Nut’ Shell: Yes; there is a lot of violence in the Old Testament, brought about by the sin and disobedience of men to God. History, along with the Old Testament was/is meant to teach us something.
Because of sin, men were doomed. Jesus came into the world, to take our sins upon Himself. He fulfilled the Old Testament, and gave us a New Testament, sealed for us forever by His blood on the cross.
We all fall short, but we can be washed in the blood of Jesus, making us white as snow in the eyes of God. We are no longer cursed under the Law of the Old Testament, but heirs of the free gift of grace, now through faith in the son of God.
Jesus was accused of working on the Sabbath; but, he explained it all….so, we no more see in a mirror darkly. Christians are not Sabbath keepers; so working on Saturdays is no big deal.
Women are not lesser than men. Men and women have different roles. Each answer to and worship God. Men and women compliment one another. In marriage, a man and a woman become one. A husband should be willing to give his life for his wife, as Christ loved and gave up his life to His bride, the church.
The command is not, “Thou shall not kill.” What the command really states is, “Thou shall not murder.”
Don Cole
To someone,
Here is the reply, in a ‘Nut’ Shell: Yes; there is a lot of violence in the Old Testament, brought about by the sin and disobedience of men to God. History, along with the Old Testament was/is meant to teach us something.
Because of sin, men were doomed. Jesus came into the world, to take our sins upon Himself. He fulfilled the Old Testament, and gave us a New Testament, sealed for us forever by His blood on the cross.
We all fall short, but we can be washed in the blood of Jesus, making us white as snow in the eyes of God. We are no longer cursed under the Law of the Old Testament, but heirs of the free gift of grace, now through faith in the son of God.
Jesus was accused of working on the Sabbath; but, he explained it all….so, we no more see in a mirror darkly. Christians are not Sabbath keepers; so working on Saturdays is no big deal.
Women are not lesser than men. Men and women have different roles. Each answer to and worship God. Men and women compliment one another. In marriage, a man and a woman become one. A husband should be willing to give his life for his wife, as Christ loved and gave up his life to His bride, the church.
The command is not, “Thou shall not kill.” What the command really states is, “Thou shall not murder.”
Don Cole
Sunday, October 7, 2007
Bible Does Not Say that Women are Inferior
To Someone,
God was not happy with Adam, nor with Eve. I don't think God is playing favorites here.
Genesis 3:16-20:
"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living."
"It's obvious, according to the plain meaning of words, that Christians believe women are inferior. It's right in the good book."
Respondent, would you please show me the chapter/s and verses in the Bible that you are referring to?
Respondent, is your head inferior to your body? Which could you do without?
Don Cole
Postscript to Someone Else: I thank God for Social Security. I certainly would not cut funds for those who have come to need these benefits to live on. But, yes; I agree with you, to a point, in that benefits should be cut or eliminated for those who have been so blessed, such as you, who don't need the resource for basic needs, and especially in light of the present instability of this good program. That is what the name "social security" implies to me. Christians not only have a duty to look out for themselves, but more importantly, for one another. How does anyone know what is around the corner in their life? Thank God for 'social security,' and the Christian principles that guide us.
dc
God was not happy with Adam, nor with Eve. I don't think God is playing favorites here.
Genesis 3:16-20:
"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living."
"It's obvious, according to the plain meaning of words, that Christians believe women are inferior. It's right in the good book."
Respondent, would you please show me the chapter/s and verses in the Bible that you are referring to?
Respondent, is your head inferior to your body? Which could you do without?
Don Cole
Postscript to Someone Else: I thank God for Social Security. I certainly would not cut funds for those who have come to need these benefits to live on. But, yes; I agree with you, to a point, in that benefits should be cut or eliminated for those who have been so blessed, such as you, who don't need the resource for basic needs, and especially in light of the present instability of this good program. That is what the name "social security" implies to me. Christians not only have a duty to look out for themselves, but more importantly, for one another. How does anyone know what is around the corner in their life? Thank God for 'social security,' and the Christian principles that guide us.
dc
Attributes for a U.S. President
To Someone,
This is interesting. As a Christian, you have no problem with a woman president running our country? How do you feel about women elders and preachers in the church? (Please; people, I am in no way implying that women are inferior.)
When it comes to divorce, especially for an innocent Christian who might not have any say or opportunity to prevent it; have heart. Although; I suppose a person could be held accountable as per good judgement, in choosing a mate who will be faithful.
Another aspect to consider when judging a divorced person, especially the horrors of being divorced more than once, is this: Good Christians do not have premarital sex, nor live together outside of marriage. Many people, who are considered to be "good," people (eligible to be leaders?) do not get married, or divorced, because they just sleep around and bear no commitment at all. Even if they do get caught; they just repent, and all is forgiven and forgotten. Is it better to sleep around, than to take the risk of getting married, that could end up in divorce, never to be forgotten or forgiven?
Yes. We all fall short in one way or another.
Remember; that God does have a hand in the elections of our presidents, as He does in all aspects of our lives. Jesus is the answer.
Don Cole
This is interesting. As a Christian, you have no problem with a woman president running our country? How do you feel about women elders and preachers in the church? (Please; people, I am in no way implying that women are inferior.)
When it comes to divorce, especially for an innocent Christian who might not have any say or opportunity to prevent it; have heart. Although; I suppose a person could be held accountable as per good judgement, in choosing a mate who will be faithful.
Another aspect to consider when judging a divorced person, especially the horrors of being divorced more than once, is this: Good Christians do not have premarital sex, nor live together outside of marriage. Many people, who are considered to be "good," people (eligible to be leaders?) do not get married, or divorced, because they just sleep around and bear no commitment at all. Even if they do get caught; they just repent, and all is forgiven and forgotten. Is it better to sleep around, than to take the risk of getting married, that could end up in divorce, never to be forgotten or forgiven?
Yes. We all fall short in one way or another.
Remember; that God does have a hand in the elections of our presidents, as He does in all aspects of our lives. Jesus is the answer.
Don Cole
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